22/5/12 - Social Dancer 2.1
Dear Fair Trot You may not have heard but ADS SA in Adelaide is supporting social dancers while catering to the competitive dancers. This year they have had one fabulous event in March and is now planning another in July. The last one was such a pleasure to dance at, see a fabulous floorshow, see the dancers compete in a great competition and the prices were so low. The venue had never been used for such an event and was so easy to get to. I hear they are on Facebook and they are keeping us informed of what is going. At last someone is delivering affordable events for the family and Social Dancers. I can't wait to go along next time. Our table seats are already booked.
17/4/12 - Fair trot.
Is one of the Aims of DSA to promote Ballroom Dancing? or just the Competitive side? To build numbers in the competitive side, you need to foster the grass roots... Social Ballroom Dancing. We in S.A. have two hard working bodies, the DASA and DSA SA branch. Both appear to be concerned with the competitive side, and the Social Dancing scene is left to others. Has the number of the competitors ever been lower? Does anyone see the looming diaster?? What can we do???
5/4/12 - Foxing the Trot
I would like to know what others think. Do you think it is time DSA had a look at the point system for level elevation? Something they added last year was to award additional points in competitions and championships to level one adult competitors in the hope of easing the backlog due to the high number of couples. However, this has only made a backlog in level two adult events. I think Craig Wilson had the right idea by adding an additional event to competitions for level one adult and this idea was taken up at a March comp this year with additional level two adult and level three and below adult competitions. I think either the points system needs to be reviewed or additional competitions for level one and level two need to be added to competitions and championships. Yes I know competitions already go all day but what we are seeing now is a number of level one adult couples elevating quickly and clogging level two. Personally I would suggest three level one events, a level one and two event and a level two only event and take away the additional points for level one events. What do people think? I would love to hear more suggestions.
29/3/12 - David Hunt
Latest Press. This appears to be a very good initiative on the part of DSA. I will be looking with interest at the Constitutional change proposal. If it facilitates the objectives as set out in the press release this can only be a good thing for competitors.
27/3/12 - Silent majority- not silent
Loved the FATD comp too. Craig made lots of great changes as CEO. Now it is Neale's turn. Loved the visual judging, especially sometimes in more than one dance. Loved the syllabus showcases for Adult Open- what a way to engeander crowd participation. Love the putting of marking on website following event. Go Neale! What does everyone else think????
24/3/12 - Silent majority- not so silent!
Copy of a letter I sent to Margot Barlow, Event Organiser of ANDA Competition- Marconi Club- 18th March, 2012. Thanks, we really enjoyed the comp today. It is always a happy comp, relaxing and great to dance at. I would far sooner dance events close together, even one after the other as the focus on the competing is easier and the long process of warming up, changing etc is not there. Makes the day much more enjoyable as it is possible to enjoy the other competitors more. Loved the music. I love that the bar is close by and the opportunity to get drinks is immediate. I must admit it is sometimes hard at the Hall of Legends first thing in the morning when events are busy to get the chance to race to the kiosk, so I love this aspect about the Marconi Club too. Albert and Sue are always amazing. Comperes a lot of fun, always nice to feel that there is a personal touch in the way the comperes interact with the competitors and crowd. It is lovely that you take the time to walk around socialising with people. I know you have had a very busy time Margot. Thanks again for a great event, organisation etc was great.
15/3/12 - Observing Competitor
This forum seems to have been a bit quiet lately, now that the storm in the teacup from last December has passed. Cecil I think has hit the nail on the head, as with the other positive comments. Not only should competitors be very thankful for the excellent work carried out by the ADS to develop dancing in Australia, we must not overlook the outstanding effort that Margaret Lonsdale and her team continue to provide for the benefit of us all. Congratulations Margaret, you are one of our true champions. Keep up the good work. This year will be another great year.
2/2/12 - Silent Majority
Amen to Cecil 1/1/2012.
2/2/12 - Foxing the Trot
Hey Cecil M. while I do think a big thank you has to go out to ADS for their ongoing commitment and support in bringing us good competitions, I have to question their actions in treating national and international champions the way they did. Unfortunately, rules such as the no outside comps rule imposed on dancers has a way of trickling down to the other levels of competition. As you say, the majority of us dance because we love the sport and not to get involved in the politics. Well I also love to watch the sport as well as compete. Cutting short the honour dance that was amazing in itself was disappointing for me, and it is the first time I considered becoming involved in the politics because I did not like seeing fellow competitors treated so disrespectfully. It is a rare and special thing when people stand up for what they believe is right; even when they are not the ones directly affected by the actions of others. The point is, this could have been handled much more humanely then it was and perhaps ADS will think about its actions before it acts so rashly again, given the negative publicity it has received from this event.
1/2/12 - Cecil M
From one who enjoys competing and following the many stories in this discussion forum I am beginning to wonder who is having the most influence. It seems to be the vocal minority and not many speaking for the silent majority. We are indeed very fortunate in Australia that we have the ADS who are continuing to bring to Australia couples from all over the World, many of them Champions in their own right, and who continue to successfully compete all over the World in a wide range of WDSF ( IDSF) competitions. And, yes, the WDSF do have some restrictive policies in regard to where couples compete, but that probably happens in any International level of competition where International Sporting Federations are involved. As indicated in this forum these couples knew what they were doing. Is it such a big deal to the vast majority of our competitors that a very few of our competitors have been caught up in the recent WDSF rulings, probably not, because they will never reach that level of competition. They dance because they love what they are able to do and enjoy it. They also appreciate the efforts of the organisers of all our National Championships in providing quality venues and competitions for us to compete in. It strikes me that the ADS do not get the credit they deserve for all of the hard work and effort that goes into each Australian and International Championship. Did the latest statement fom DSA show support for the ADS in bringing to Australia the Asia Pacific Championships, not really, and that is a pity. Let’s keep this all in perspective, keep focusing our support on the vast majority of competitors and not get too overly excited by the current dramas in our dance world which affect so very few.
15/12/11 - Zootette
Dear Web Viewer, Thank you for your reply. I am very happy to offer my time as a volunteer. I am an active competitor so will not be available at competitions. My disposable cash is committed to lessons and competition expenses so I can't provide sponsorship. However If you are open to input and welcome positive involvement from within the fraternity of dancers. I have many years of experience in business and am very willing to assist in the growth of our sport. Please let me know how to contact you. Cheers
14/12/11 - Web Viewer
To Zootette 13/12. I am amazed at your negative summary of the ADS Australian and the WDSF Asian Pacific DanceSport Chmpionships for 2011. Sponsorship is usually a business agreement or a contract either formally or implied between relevant parties. A successful sponsorship agreement must be a win, win for all. In this instance it includes the sponsor, organizer, competitor, supporter, spectator, officials & coaches. Today without funding, sponsorship, donations and the volunteers many sports as we currently experience them, would not exist. Normally in the Business / Sport & Recreation Industry arena, those who have a negative outlook in most instances usually would come to the table with a positive solution to the problem. Your concerns are acknowledged, and it is suggested that you offer your services to assist the dancing fraternity either as a volunteer, official, sponsor, or donor to further assist our artistic sport into the future.
14/12/11 - Supporter
Tango 10, if it were not for the action of the organisers of the 2011 Australian Dancesport Championship Matt and Anna's silent protest would not have gained the media coverage it is now deservedly receiving. The action of the event organisers opened a door for dancers to more easily voice their concerns to a larger audience. Tango 10, think of the actions of the event organisers in 'potentially killing off any hope of future sponsorships'. Also consider that the Australian Dancesport Championship has been without a naming rights sponsor for at least two years and the event is no longer receiving the televised coverage it once enjoyed. Matt and Anna's silent action has not jeopardised an event that is already losing appeal, at least in terms of sponsorship. While on the subject of advertising, the event "program" consists mostly of advertising. It also has poorly written articles (poor grammar; poor spelling - including the use of American spelling; and it appears England is now referred to as the WD&DSC - see if you can spot that in the program); it repeats the wall of honour, which can be easily found on the event website; and there's an odd history of the Australian Dancing Society that lists names and dates for no apparent reason. The magazine is glossy, giving the impression of professionalism, yet I paid $30 for something that is clearly not professional. It requires a proof reader, a staff writer and contains content that would not be easily understood by the general public. Also, I would have liked a biography of the Asian Pacific Dancesport Championship competitors. I have purchased better quality theatre programs for a more affordable price. Finally, the quality of service at the event has apparently degraded during the previous years. I know of at least one corporate body that refused to purchase a table this year, after attending for many years, due to poor service and a poor invitation only after party. So, Tango 10, before trying to place blame on a silent protest that many people in the audience may not have noticed, start looking at the event itself and the organisers.
14/12/11 - David Powell
Dear Observing Competitor you very elequently make mention of a great competition and the BEST IN THE WORLD but what of the best in AUSTRALIA (who were banned from dancing) or as a competitor do you not pursue the dream to be one of those BEST IN THE WORLD and BEST IN AUSTRALIA. What Matt and Anna did was to bring to the attention of those DANCERS present with dreams and aspirations that the dancing culture is about to change unless we get our heads out of the sand and stand up for our rights to be able to dance where we want. Take this to the smallest term how would you like to be told that you can not learn or dance at any other studio than the one you are at. Now put this concept into a bigger picture and now you are told which comps in your state that you can and can't dance, now lets make the picture bigger you are told which comps in Australia that you can or can't dance and ultimately the world stage and which international comps you can or can't dance. All Matt and Anna were trying to do without too much pomp and ceremony was to bring to all dancers the plight of what is happening currently within the dancing industry. However some thought that this quiet display was and I quote INCITING A RIOT. Did YOU feel at the time that they were inciting a riot? Did you at any stage feel personally threatened by their yellow display? They showed that they wanted to support those that were unfairly banned from dancing THEIR own national competition and try and raise an awareness amongst the rest of the dancing fraternity that this is what is happening not just here but also on the International stage.So if this does not get resolved shortly here is something for you to mull over. Given the choice would you prefer to win Blackpool or the Worlds because it is now getting to the point that this will be the choice that you will have to make. One or the other not both having been associated with dancing for the past 30 years initially as a social dancer then in the administrative side and for some time now as a competitor I have aways looked to Blackpool for dancing as our Wimbledom is to tennis. On closing give this point some thought - how would you feel if the American President or the French president or the British Prime Minister or The Omar of Dubai, ordered you from their respective countries when and how you would live your Australia, you would surely very quickly tell them where to get off so what's different?
14/12/11 - David Powell
Tango 10 just to help you get the CORRECT grasp on the situation that you apparently DON'T have. The ruling was that there MIGHT be reprecussions NOT THAT THERE WOULD BE so please make sure you have all facts at hand for future comment or expect me to ridicule you publically each time you don't.
13/12/11 - Zootette
I am hugely concerned for the future of the Australian Championships. It appeared that numbers were significantly down in all events. Just one look at Adult Open Standard, 91 competitors entered with an anticipated 9 rounds, where were they all? The venue was disappointingly empty for all events especially the Sunday evening. The audience began leaving very early and the continual delays in the program padded with social dancing and introducing sponsors and acknowledging them with tokens of appreciation do not contribute to the event. No one doubts the importance of sponsors but there must be a better way to recognise them. Mark is a fantastic advocate for the sport and much better than previous presenters, but he needs to be better rehearsed. Spectators and participants of the event pay a lot of money to support this championship and the sport seems to be loosing it's way, as it becomes less about the dancers. I am sure the audience would be much more interested in hearing a brief biography about the finalists to fill the time required in between events than to hear repeatedly about the sponsors. The audience is too small to repeat information and none of the sponsorship thanks ever make it to TV, so the points are mute. All of the sponsors details are recognised around the venue which is what the public see and connect with. I am looking forward to a much improved event in 2012.
13/12/11 - Observing Competitor
Well done to Tango 10. The organisers of this event put in an enormous amount of effort to bring to Australia the best in the World. And this will happen again next year. Everybody who worked so hard on this event would have been demoralised to see one of our own carry on this way. It would have been far more credible if the protesters were to use their influence in another forum.
13/12/11 - Supporter
Congratulations to Matthew Rooke and Anna Longmore! You have danced wonderfully and earned your win at the Australian Dancesport Championships 2011. You have shown your support to your fellow dancers; to the values of fair competition; and to freedom of speech, expression, choice and dance. You are standing up for your beliefs and leading the charge in Australia to bring the true spirit of competition back into our dancing community. You are to be congratulated for the courage you have shown. Know that you are well supported by dancers and dance coaches alike. Continue with what you believe in
12/12/11- Tango 10
Congratulations go to Anna and Mathew for potentially killing off any hope of future sponsorships. Your silent protest was in support of competitors who were advised of the rules, individually, and knew that if they danced the unregsitered WDSF events they would face a suspension.... how much must it have been spelled out? Yet despite this they still chose to dance an event that would cause them to be suspended. So Matt and Anna were you protesting having rules to play by or were you having a go at an organiser that was trying to provide the best competition of the year.
6/12/11 - Observing Competitor
It is unfortunate that the WDSF have chosen to take action against Australian competitors who competed in the London Ball. It is my understanding, from looking at the London Ball website, that this event was clearly promoted as a "Freedom to Dance" event and any WDSF recognised competitor would have attracted the eye of the WDSF. I find it interesting that competitors who were looking to competing in the WDSF sanctioned Asian Pacific and Australian Championships this year would take that risk, especially in the knowledge that the WDSF might consider action against them. What were their coaches thinking, surely in light of the current international political environment these competitors had better options available to them. It is very pleasing to see that DSA will be using it's best endeavours to resolve the difficulkties that our international competitors find themselves in.
27/10/11 - Zootette
Hi, as a competitor I love the Aussies and look forward to them every year. However in the past few years I and many of my fellow competitors are becoming increasingly frustrated with the constant interruption to the program with acknowledgment of sponsors. All around us last year people were groaning at the incessant observation of sponsors. In my opinion this spoils the evening session and I urge the organizers to seek an alternate way to recognize the significant contribution sponsors make. It would be a tragedy if attendance rate dropped due to this flaw in the event. It was worse than watching commercial T.V.
8/9/11 - Anthony Woolley
I would like to thank and congratulate the organisers for the recently held, new look DMA Championships that was conducted at ‘The Centre’, Ivanhoe, Victoria on September 3rd, 2011. This was probably one of the most enjoyable competitions that I have attended this year. The new venue was beautiful and added a touch of class to dancesport. I would have loved to have some competition photos from this venue because the architecture and interior design was well suited to the look and feel of this competition. Parking was free and ample. I appreciated the late start time, allowing me a good sleep the night before; and I wasn’t at all concerned about the late finish because this was a well-run, smooth, enjoyable competition. The choice of music was excellent and the acoustics wonderful – you could easily sit there to enjoy the music, enjoy the dancing and comfortably talk to people. The dance floor, using the natural floor of the venue, was excellent (but, as dancers, we all have our own idea of what makes a good dance floor :-); the practise floor was gratefully appreciated and the ballroom in which it was situated was calm, relaxing and beautifully renovated. The competition program was released, in full, prior to the competition (online and at the dance studios), allowing me to plan my day and not rush. However, I still bought a program upon arrival at the competition, hoping to do my little bit, however small, to contribute to the running of the competition…but the program, which was nicely presented and all that’s really needed for a competition, was only $2. I’m sure that didn’t cover the printing costs. The catering at the venue was a nice, refreshing surprise. The food at the DMA Championships was amazingly priced (i.e. cheap :-) and fresh, refreshing and delicious. While, I didn’t book a table/supper package, the supper provided to those tables looked extremely appealing and plentiful. A highlight was the Professional Standard and New Vogue competition. Monica & Andrew and Ashlea & Shane provided a real feeling of competition; and their respective support groups enhanced the enjoyment of that competition. The final event on the program, Professional New Vogue, was a pleasant finale to the competition. In summary, DMA Championships 2011 was a pleasure to attend and is a fitting template for the organisation and running of Australian dancesport competitions.
12/8/11 - Dancing-Voter
To 'A Potential Voter' : from my understanding, 'Freedom to Dance' is a freedom to choose and be free from political chest beating. There are political issues occurring internationally between WDSF (previously known as IDSF) and the WDC over who has the most power. Perhaps they should send representatives from each to form a body that manages the registration of competitors and then the WDC and WDSF can run their own competitions the way they want to and not disallow competitors from competing in their events. To 'One Old Fella', yes, I read Tony's 'International Affairs' report. It's interesting that this particular 'International Affairs' report was published in time for DSA elections, unfortunately he didn't present all the facts but afterall it was a politically motivated piece. However, thankyou, Tony, your views were recieved. In your report you said that 'after ten years, the time has come to reform DSA. In my opinion, the DSA structure is however in desperate need of reform.' Thankyou for supporting my freedom to choose.
12/8/11 - Rico
Can a DSA member compete in events organized by ADB? Can any elevations attained in one be recognized in the other? A clarification is needed so as not to offend DSA members. Thanks.
11/8/11 - One Old Fella
Has anybody read Tony Tilleni's advisor report to DSA? Found it to be very enlightning, and full of very helpful information. Well done to Tony.
(See "Latest News" for details).
10/8/11 - A Potential Voter
One of the candidates for election has indicated he is a supporter of the Freedom to Dance Movement. Has this anything to do with the proposition by WDC to set up a National Dance Council for Australia for DSA to join? Seems a bit odd to me, and who are the Freedom to Dance group?
30/7/11 - Zootsuit
Is anyone else concerned about the lack of information in regard to first events at the Southern Cross Championships? We are really having to consider hard whether it is worth getting up and getting ready at 4:30 in the morning to be able to travel down to Melbourne in time to sit around for how long before our first event!!! Maybe the organisers could take a leaf out of the book of well ordered events we attend regularly who happily provide first round details allowing appropriate time for grooming and being properly ready to compete.
27/6/11 - GreyMike
Jack Brown Its hard to tell whether or not the overseas couples I mentioned danced better than me or not as I did not compete against them. I didn't dance standard at the Australian Championships and didn't compete at the other competition I referred to. Further the point I raised was also raised by Shirley Wall in her review of the Australian Championships in the January 2011 edition of the Australian Dance Review. I don't believe anyone could accuse Shirley of being a bad sport.
26/6/11 Jack Brown
Greymike you are a bad sport.. Not as good as you think you are? Maybe they just dance better than you...
5/6/11 Dance Masters' Great Barrier Reef Dancesport Open Championship 2011
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30/5/11 One Old Fella
Re GreyMike I agree totally with your question. I danced in a M2 event at the Crown Championships a few years ago. The Asians in the line up were joking among themselves about one of their fellow competitors being under 50 years of age. That couple won the event, since then I have refused to dance at the Crown Championships.
29/5/11 Greymike
On 4/1/11 Concerned Coach raised the issue of overseas dancers entering our National Titles in graded events and dancing at a level much higher than the event they had entered. At the Australian Championships the overseas couple who won Masters 1 Lev 3 Std went on to come 4th in Open Std. Feedback on this issue was asked for, but non appears to have been forthcoming. Having now seen the results from the recently completed Crown International Championship, where couples from Singapore and China won graded Masters events, I ask are the credentials of the overseas couples scrutinised in the same manner as are those of Australian couples. Could someone from Dancesport Australia please clarify the situation?
16/5/11 Bobcat
Where are the results for the Victorian Championships 2011?
11/4/11 Barrie Marr, DSA Member Protection Information Officer
Jenny McKillop 10/4 DSA has in place a Member Protection Policy. This Policy recommends that members who have situations similar to yours should contact a Member Protection Information Officer (MPIO) in the first instance and seek options and information that may assist you in resolving your issue. Should you be unable to contact an MPIO in your State, please contact me on 03 9555 6159.
10/4/11 Jenny McKillop
I'm calling for Dancesport's support against unnecessary gossip being circulated against me, causing a lot of vexation in my attempts to compete. It is unruly, unwise and untruthful.Thanking you.
28/2/11 Fair Trot
Concerned Coach: In the 60's Mickey Powell's A.D.S. Championships only gave the winning couple result in all amateur events. One year I was told in Feb. that we had come second to Dick & Kay, in the Australian. Next time I went to Melbourne I went to see Mickey Powell, and explained that we were the second top amateur dancers in Australia and no one knew about it. I put it to Mickey, and from then on 1st, 2nd. and 3rd. were given out at all Australian Championships. So yes, when it was extended to 6 placings, it created even more interest and enthusiasm. Lets keep going forward, not backwards.
10/1/11 David Hunt
Congratulations on the new look website. Suggest perhaps it would be helpful if all documentation was available and categorised under a separate 'media' heading. Other than that it is good to see the site heading in a modern direction.
4/1/11 Concerned Coach
1. At the recent ADS Championships most of you will have noticed the absence of announcing the names of the 4th, 5th, 6th and in some cases 7th placed couples in all finals. Each couple who had made it to the final in my opinion should have been recognised and some sort of presentation to them been made. They have worked just as hard as the first three place getters, spent the same amout of time, money and resources to be in the final and deserve some recognition. Some will argue the time factor, the monitary cost, etc. I say what is a little more time when we have been there all day anyway and as we all know it costs an arm and a leg to gain entry, so what is a $2 - $5 medal worth when the ADS has now made any place past the first 3 worth nothing.
2. The other matter at the comp is the admittance of O/S couples who attend our comp being allowed to dance in anything other than open events. Eg. A masters couple were dancing in Level 3 which they won then they danced the open event and made the final. Clearly this couple shouldn't have been allowed to dance in the Level 3 event thus preventing the 7th placed couple a spot in the final. As they aren't registered under our system we don't know what level they are supposed to dance at, and I beleive that open events are the only events they can surely dance in. Any feedback on this issue is welcome!!!!
4/1/11 David Hunt
Anti-Doping Reference: Prohibited List 2011. For those members who may be interested, the 2011 WADA Prohibited List is now available as an IPhone and IPod Touch application. It can be found in the ITunes Application Store under the Sports heading.
31/12/10 Competitor 1
An enlightening article by Dance Rulz. Referring to 'Change is the only constant in our sport' the next challenge for DSA is to engage promoters into having a serious look at the competition programs. Time and time again we see promoters trotting out the same old program of events. It is time we had something more innovative, for example how would it be to have only Open events with repechage rounds at major championships. Leave graded competitions to all the other non-National Championship events.
30/12/10 Dance Rulz 1.1
As a dancer of 16 years in our sport, I have gained the passion and love for a sport that has undergone many changes from what it was before I started. Many others have similar passion and share a genuine love of dance.
We all have the opportunity to participate in a sport that is athletic, competitive, energetic, exciting, enthralling, and demanding on high levels of fitness and agility. As a competitor I have a platform for self improvement and achieving goals I never knew were possible.
Why was this possible?
The answer is so simple – Dance is a Sport.
The world body for dance is IDSF – International DanceSport Federation
During 1998, Ballroom Dancing in Australia embraced a Sport Culture, by joining the IDSF community, on the world stage. DanceSport was founded by forward thinking leaders of our sport who saw the need to raise the profile of competitive dance to a new level. That journey is still developing as change is the underlying driver for improvement.
The Olympic dream is alive and well in DanceSport. The IDSF is a world family that has provided the vision, structure, policy, procedures and rules for moving the sport into the Olympic family.
How great it is that as competitors in a “world” sport we have a system that protects our rights to compete on a level playing field that is recognised by governments, sporting bodies and organisers around the globe – DanceSport is Global.
The IDSF family incorporates 88 national member associations, from around the world. There is a recognised structure and policy that is well documented at the IDSF website: http://www.idsf.net/index.tpl?id=7
Membership of the IDSF has driven Australia to formulate rules, procedures and policies that have had a big influence on the world scene – DSA from its inception has been a world leader.
IDSF has achieved recognition and participation in the International World Games Association, International Masters Games, The Asian Games, The International Olympic Committee and the SportAccord [parent body of World Sport Federations].
DanceSport Australia [DSA] is nationally recognised and is funded as a Sport across all states of Australia. The Australian Sports Commission recognises DSA as the Governing body of our sport. As such, DSA leads the formulation of the policy, and rules that govern our sport. These are in place to protect the rights of competitors, officials, coaches and general members. DSA is proud of its democratic procedures to allow participation across all levels of the organisation and the ability to have a voice in its development. Grievances can be voiced, Coaches are accredited, rules govern our competition, Ethics are established.
It is true that the old guard – respected as they should be – carry old ideals and inherent biases that will resist change. Change puts the established practices under threat. Change is the only constant in our sport.
By participating in DSA and its structure, we choose to play by the rules. Thank goodness we have that as then what would we have – can you imagine the nation’s road system if there were no enforceable rules to guide drivers......
I urge all DSA members to become aware of the Rules, Policy, and Procedures in our sport. Only aware individuals can effect change in our culture that will bring even more enjoyment and passion to all.
Always ask:
- What are the rules?
- Are the rules being followed?
- How can I help change the rules to make our sport better and stronger?
29/12/10 Cheryl
Before I give Channel 7 a serve - what happened to the Christmas night showing of the 2010 Dancesport Championships? A LOT of people would have been disappointed not to mention myself, my own friends and family? This has aired since the 80's if I remember rightly and we all look forward to it, it's the highlight & finale of Christmas day!!!!. Very very disappointed. Furthermore I saw no advance notice that it would not air - nothing. (Whoever is responsible would not dare cancel this program if it was a football match.)
02/12/10 David
Recent IDSF and WDC advice Is this a conversation we now need to have on the DSA Discussion Forum? I have noted in the latest issue of Focus that DanceSport Australia have nominated Australian couples and adjudicators as representatives in WDC Championships.
I am aware also that Australian couples have recently competed in events, that under the recent IDSF Rules, were deemed to be unregistered events. The IDSF have stated that a competition that is not listed and registered by either IDSF or any IDSF Member body is presumed to be unregistered, and therefore is presumed to be outside the integrated IDSF system. Athletes, Adjudicators, Chairmen and other officials who wish to continue to participate in the IDSF system should not participate in unregistered competitions.
The IDSF Presidium may take action against any person or group associated with IDSF or an IDSF Member body, who participates in a unregistered competition in any way, without any further notice to any of them. This is not untypical of the way in which the IDSF prescribes its decisions. What is not openly clear at present is any advice or direction the IDSF has given to its member organisations as to what action it expects their member organisations to take in respect of any couple, adjudicator or other official who has participated in any of the recently published unregistered events.
23/11/10 QPO
I think that the request by None to remove the alias of Bojangles, based on the fact that he has a business name with the same name (sort of)is invalid. The shop appears also to be based on the name of Bill “Bojangles” Robinson (May 25, 1878 - November 25, 1949) the famous American entertainer. Furthermore there are many other businesses within Australia trading under the same name. It gets even better if you look for it on a global scale and at all the aliases used on the millions of forums. I understand None's concern but feel that our Bojangles can use this alias for as long as he likes
13/11/10 None
To the Webmaster, I have noticed the name on the Forum of Bojangles. As I am the owner of Mr Bojangles Dancewear,I would like to have this Alias name removed.People are thinking that this is me that is inputing to the forum and it is not.I do not want my business name associated with this person's input please
09/11/10 Bojangles
Competitor 2 I take my hat off to you competing in adult field at 40. Yes we may be getting younger than past generations but the reality is that generally speaking unless youve competed for many years or are the odd freak of nature its considered medically very challenging to expect a 40 year old to physicaly match it at top levels with someone in their 20s. It would be interesting to know how many over 30s couplesmake it to the last 24 or even 48 at the australian adult open. I suspect not many. Age divisions need to be structured to provide the most equal environment in which to compete. If someone wants to compete in a stronger field then thats their choice. As a coach once said to me " no matter how good a teacher you are you cannot train someone beyond their bodies capabilities. To the other respon dants thank you. Lets keep the talk going its obvious theres interest on this subject and different opinions are good.
07/11/10 Another observer
Age group discussion is interesting, why not simply adopt IDSF rules on this one to provide transparency across International events, provided they are registered with IDSF of course. Another interesting fact is that acclaimed 1st Australian Pro-Am Championship held recently turned out to be the biggest novelty event of the year according to DSA Rules
07/11/10 M2 competitor
Continuing on the discussion of restructuring age groups, here is another idea. Instead of creating a Masters 3 Division, thereby considerably lengthening the competition program, why not take the Adult age group through to 40, Masters 1 from 40 to 55, and Masters II over 55. We are often told we are now younger than the previous generations, and pension age is increasing, so why not the dance categories? Personally I was still competing in the Adult age group into my 40s and Masters I well into my 50s.
05/11/10 Steven Jones
In support of Bojangles idea but I think there is another way of doing it. Rather than ask DSA to create more rules why not approach the private organizers with the idea and a return that they (the private organizer) find appealing. Organizers can create sub age groups to assist with programing at individual events. If your idea is sound, the return is good for the organizer and the DSA Dancing community at large you will probably find you wont have to work to hard to make these age groups DSA official.
29/10/10Tango 10
Bojoangles, you make a good point. In Europe there are 3 divisions and in the US - oten with real prize money for masters [Seniors 1,2,3]. Your age groups [as overseas] would widen the field and keep many in the sport longer. Our numbers of masters are getting larger and will grow the Masters 2 and 3 fields and provide competition more evenly balanced. All deserve to keep a place in the sport. Yes we are trying get younger ones in too - that is a separate challenge
24/10/10 Bojangles
I would like to hear others opinions on the idea of restructuring the age criteria for all masters divisions. My rationale is that particularly the masters 1 field is becoming seriously competitive and congested at the higher end which is great to see. With more and more younger couples now entering this age division each year however it is making it more and more difficult for some older ones to maintain competitiveness but some remain remain stuck because one or both partners either aren't old enough to move to another age appropriate group or feel masters 2 is only for the golden oldies awaiting the pension years. Speaking with other people there is certainly a growing disenchantment among older masters 1 competitors that its all getting to hard and I fear the sport will loose these interested compet itors if some fairer and better options arent looked at.I feel masters 1 could be 35-45 years or even 30-45 years creating a more youthful and dynamic division. More like a mature adult level. This would then provide a more appealing option without being forced out of encouraging older masters 1 to move to what would expectedly become a slightly younger and stronger masters 2 division 45-55 years and then an over 55 masters 3 division. This I believe is similar to the model adopted abroad and I think its fairer on competitors and better for the spectator and the sport overall.
22/09/10 Web Manager for Dancesport WA ONLY
To Netdancer... Your apology is accepted. :-) Great to see a dancesport member taking an interest in what is on the site and when it is updated and coming on this forum to say it. And you are correct in saying Queensland updates their site very regularly not only with their latest local information, but other relevant information as well, which is great to see. You can also access the NSW Open results at the foloowing:
Results for NSW Open are in 2 areas: 1st link: http://www.dancesport.org.au/index.php/competitors/championship-results
2nd link: http://www.dancesport.org.au/index.php/new-south-wales/nsw-competition-results/433-2010-dsa-new-south-wales-open-championships-results
Also at top of the front page of the National site under 'General News and Updates' which were there before your original posting.
21/09/10 Netdancer
My appologies to Western Australia. Your page is very good to. Thank you.
20/09/10 NetDancer
I am a little disappointed with the Web pages of DanceSport Australia. It appears that no one really cares or bothers to keep things up todate. One page in particular is the NSW page, it is still advertising the NSW Open Championships which was over weeks ago. And as for the results they are no where to be found. Other state pages are just as bad, however QLD's does seem to be the exception. Any comments?
18/09/10 A Dancesport News Osberver
Swiss Dancers Forum Came across a range of articles on the Swiss Dancers forum located at: http://www.swissdancersforum.com/tanzpolitik-dance-politics-f5/freedom-to-dance-fund-setup-to-challenge-idsf-in-european-court-of-law-t265.htm I would suggest that this forum is providing a useful discussion on the topic of the banning of couples competing in International events. I would recommend the discussion forum to members, and note the article referring to an IDSF Organisation that has recently sought legal guidance on the subject of bans.
30/08/10 Barrie Marr
Ref, Observer 3, 19/08/10. I believe the criteria for the judges on "Dancing with the Stars" appears to be performance, technical and the DanceSport perspective. The judges no doubt would be assessing each participant against each other and the progress they have made. Criteria for assessing competence are based on validity, reliability, flexibility and fairness, as shown by the judges. Comments made in almost all instances were relative to what a coach, teacher or adjudicator would make to encourage further development and offer constructive criticism. The panel had experience, knowledge, and learning, the cognitive skills to form opinions and make informed judgments. I am also sure the contestants are aware of competitive DanceSport participants,the skills attained over many years of learning, practi ce and investment in the sport to perform at an elite level. The question I ask is. 'As a beginner, how would you have performed in similar circumstances as the Star?'
25/08/10 Steven Jones
Taking issue with Observer 3 - 19//8/2010. Dancing with the stars is light entertainment for a Sunday Night. You are more than welcome to go back to what ever you have been doing in the past.. Go watch another program even. As for your comments regarding "need to wonder how these people view couples competing in a serious national championship event these days" I think the best reply I have for you is to put yourself back in your box and close the lid. The people you are referring to have proven themselves over many year, at many levels and in different arenas. There credentials should never have been questioned by you. Who ever you are!!!!
19/08/10 Observer 3
Dancing With the Stars Had a look at the program the other night, I am not at all convinced it is providing a healthy image for our DanceSport. Given the extraordinary overly positive comments made by the judges to people with such a basic level, do we need to wonder how these people view couples competing in a serious national championship event these days.
21/07/10 Dancer43
One comment to the Masters age divisions. I noticed that at the NSW Open there are 3 Masters divisions, over 35, over 50 and over 60 years, in all divisions both partners have to be over this age. Internationally (world championships, major champ.) there are age divisions for over 35, over 45 (both partners) then over 55 and over 65 where one partner can be up to 10 years younger. I think that the division over 60 both partners is a little bit harsh for the older partner (usually the man)having to wait sometimes 5 to 6 years to be able to dance in this division. Otherwise I think that it is a great idea to call this Master 3, much better then "Grand Masters" or similar. Just a note for our Masters 1 couples. If you are both over 45 years you are eligible to represent Australia in the Senior 2 world championships. You don't have to wait to dance Masters 2 in Australia.
21/07/10 Dancer43
Looking for the results of the NCDC I could not believe my eyes.What previously seen only from IDSF comps overseas was here. I could find not only the results of all events but also the number of recalls for all couples in all rounds and thus their actual placing. I hope this system developed by Dallas Williams will be used on many more comps. Today the results announced at the comps are usually by first names only (why) and sometimes only for the first three finalists. I find this very unsatisfactory. So congratulation to NCDC organizers for putting the results on the internet. At the recent Victorian championships the same system was used but nothing is to be found on the internet.
14/07/10 Xavier
I was wondering, is there is any way to find out the competitor who has won the most comp in one style throught this site? let say I want to know in qld in 2010 who has won the most master 1 level 1 latin. Hope is not a silly question. Thank you
08/07/10 Opium
Why dont event promoters list the Syllabus of Events trying to find out info on the dances for the NSW open does anyone know. Its great having a calendar listing events but with no more info its pretty useless. feed up chasing promoters to find out. The web page is for info why dont they use it.
08/06/10 Chelle
I like the idea of a billeting register as it can be expensive when people travel interstate and to the country comps to dance especially when they have to pay for travel, accommodation and food.
06/05/10 Observer 3
It would appear that to obtain Level 1 Coach accreditation, you do not have to be a Level 5 competitor in the specific style for which you are seeking accreditation for. For example, it would seem that as long as you are 'a Level 5 competitor',you can obtain accreditation for a style for which you may not have achieved Level 5 competitive status. I think it should be made very clear that a Level 5 competitor can only gain Level 1 Coaching Accreditation for the style in which they have achieved level 5 status.
06/05/10 David H
For those who might be having trouble finding those important documents, perhaps a couple of hints will help. Clicking on the "Competitors" link will lead you to "Important Member Information" which contains the Rules of DanceSport, Constitution, Privacy Statement and other Competition Rules. Clicking on Coaches and Adjudicators gives you the same "Important Member Information" and also includes "Updating Your Accreditation" where you can find the Accreditation List, DSA Accreditation Syllabus, Accreditation Level "0" Policy, Continuing Professional Development, Recognition of Prior Learning, and Application for recognition of Prior Learning.
13/04/10 Anna
To David H. Just to let you know there is a feedback button to the edge of your screen where you can put any suggestions to improving the current structure of the site. And others or yourself can vote on which suggestions you think have merit to change. Once you click the feedback button, there is a "Go to our Feedback Forum" link, which opens up another dialog box, where you "Enter your idea". Hope this helps yourself and others too.
13/04/10 Oberver 2
To David H. I agree with your comments. The information is not entirely for members only, it is an opportunity for DanceSport Australia, a recognized sporting body to inform and promote our sport to all. Rules, Guidelines,Accreditation,Member Protection Policy, Drug polices also inform others, including parents and people interested in dance be it social or competitive. DSA is a wonderful organization and it should proudly place the information up front, easy to access for all to see.
08/04/10 CEO
" Thanks David H - The point beimg made by you has some validity. DSA is very prepared to consider those suggestions. However, we don't wish to make ad-hoc changes to the structure of the web site on a one off basis every time someone has an idea, albeit of value. We need to consider all commets and suggestions as a whole, and make those all adjustments once only (i.e. all together). DSA will wait for a period to let the new web site structure settle down, and then consider suggestins and what adjustments are required. Steve Edwards.....CEO DanceSport Australia"
07/04/10 David H
Could I suggest that the "Important Member Information" which appears on the page after you click on "Competitors", be transferred to the Home Page where it is much easier to see. The section contains the Rules, Constitution and other important documents which are very difficult to find otherwise.
04/04/10 Observer 1
Elevation Rule Changes I think this is an opportunity missed. Creating a quicker route for Level 1 competitors to reach level 2 suggests somewhere along the line somebody wants Level 1's to elevate quicker than any other level. Would it not have been simpler and more effective to simply cut out Level 1 and merge it with level 2. The missed opportunity was to commence a planned approach to reducing the overall number of Levels.
18/03/10 Steven
Thanks Obsrever 1, I almost agree wth some of your points. The organisers of large, well established events are in a difficult place - a change may course loss ie: revenue or prestige. Smaller events have the best option because if a change happens to be negitive then the loss is less but if the change is positive then the outcome could be major benifit to them personally and to the industry. You mention combining levels which would make some sense to me personally is not the future trend. You see there are people who dont like the fact that its difficult to win in the lower levels or that the lower levels have lots of competitors. So they would recommend changing rules to enable competitors with less experience to elevate to the next level.
I know I'm slighly changing topics but I feel it needs to said s o people understand the direction we could be taking. As a competitors would you prefere more competitors and have to work harder or would you like less and move through the levels faster? I do believe we need to change something in the lower levels but fostering and encouaging couples through the grades because it crowded is in my own opinion not the best option.
17/03/10 Observer 1
Steven, Looking back on my earlier comment it could be interpreted that I agreed with All of Tango 10, point taken on that aspect. My main focus as a long time competitor is to see Open events only at major titles. Don't get me wrong, there is a place for Graded events to encourage competitors, but for arguments sake, do we need 5 levels. Level 4 is lightly loaded, level 5 comps hardly exist at all, so with majority in Levels 1,2 and 3 maybe there is an option to combine Levels 1 and 2, and then 3, 4 and 5 to make only two Graded levels. You could then have perhaps an Open A Championship for the former levels 3-5 and an Open B Championship for the former Levels 1 and 2, now that would be a challenge for organisers, and imagine the savings on trophies. Good to see the Discussion Forum working again. A nd I do like the new format of the website.
17/03/10 Steven
Thank you for clarifying your position Observer 1. You will note that you agreed entirely with Tango 10 who asked to ablolish levels and have competitors dance 4 dance events. However at the present moment level 1 & 2 have the majority of entrants at a competition so why would not having these competitors participating help the industry or even there experience? I realise you mentioned that events could be open to all and repecharge events would be the option but this has been done in the past at several points in time by several organisers. The reason we have levels over this option is this is what the Australian dancer may wanted. I dont wish to discourage change but we should change the system if its an improvement all not just the people who have the experience and skill to dance in 5 dance events.
17/03/10 Steven
If the reply is from Observer 1 you are correct but you should understand that the very strong words written by Tango 10 and you agreeing with those comments without clarety meant you agreed with them. Thank you for clarifying your position. However at the moment the majority of competitors in Australia are below level 3. If they dont turn up to an event at all it would be very hard to justify any sort of an event.
16/03/10
Response to Steven. If you look at my comments a little more closely, you will see that I have not suggested removing Levels at all. All I am suggesting is for Graded (Level) competitors to be given their opportunities to compete in their Grades (Levels)outside the National Championship and State Championship events. This would then enable the National and State Championship events to be only Open to all events where the Grade couples can compete in the usual way.
15/03/10 Steven
In reply to Tango 10 and Obsrever 1, As a long term individual in this industry I have always been involved in this activity at a club level. Its called a "studio". The studio have always been apart of a "society". We all (including the individuals) associated ourselves a Governing body.... Over the years it changes names and been fashionable to belong to different societies and studios. Just like in all sports. All sports have there groups, popular today gone tommorow. Lets not make a change so we can have what we already have. Our industry doesn't need another countries or organisations ideologies impressed on us with its iron fist. Our events in Australia are open to all competitors and should remain this way. Lets not move down the path of not including our less experienced or forcing them into events that they could not even compete in. So therefore they dont. The levels need to stay.
15/03/10 Accreditation
To Observer 1 - With regard to multiple examiners vs single examiners. You will be pleased to hear that only coaching exams require a single examiner. All Adjudicator examinations require a panel of three.
14/03/10 Observer 1
At last a reaction on Accreditation. Agree entirely with Tango 10, nothing wrong with having Open events. A challenge perhaps for Championship promoters, run all National and State Championships as Open events only, then you will have a real championship. Let the individual Societies in the States run there Level events as they please as a training ground for the Open Championship events at State and National levels. If DSA were to make it a condition of a National Championship that it be run only as an Open event, and using the Repechage system in the elimination rounds we would have a much better event. It would provide a real challenge for serious competitors. Plenty of opportunity for Grade couples to compete at smaller events to have their moment of glory at the Grade level. It would be cheaper for everybody to run a Major Open Championship if it could all be done in one day, without all the Grade events having to be run at the same time. Or is too much of a Challenge for DSA having Promoters in its ranks to change the Championship Rules for State and National Championships.
13/03/10 David
Dear Vonnien, I think the list of events you are looking for is located in the General Information section under Competitors or Coaches and Adjudicators. The Upcoming Events lists all the events that DSA is aware of and whether the event has been formally registered with DSA.
13/03/10 Vonnien
Hello, Just wanted to say that the new site looks great! and much more appealing to read Well Done to all concerned. Can I make a suggestion. Is it possible to put a complete Calender up with events each month from every state. Rather than having to go state by state it would be great to see all the comps around Australia for each month so you can make a decision which ones you will attend. When you are interstate you have to think carefully as to which one you will attend by the time you book accommodation and flights and entry tickets and food etc. it is not unusual that a trip will cost you $1,000. Is it possible to have a billeting register. I don't know what others think but that would allow interstaters to travel more, if one expense was reduced.
13/03/10 Tango 10
I agree in regards to the Accreditation Commission. All the good work done up till now must now continue so that our standards continue to lead the world in our sport. The new National Council must continue to promote our sport and raise membership levels and the profile of our sport so that it appears in the sports pages regularly alongside all the other sports. We must be seen in the sports community and not just a background player.... Bring on a club structure and ranking events for all competitors in Open events....Why not abolish levels and run with open events only as they do in other countries.... let all competitors dance 4 dances in a comp......
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